after several years 'out' i can't be the only one who still gets a bit pissed off to hear 'oh so clever' apostates slagging off jw's for being dumb, stupid and worse.
grow up!
the beliefs of jehovah's witnesses are certainly stupid but then i'd say the same for all christian belief just as many of you might condemn my atheistic, evolutionary postion as being nonsense.
Many are not stupid just misguided.Many of us go to certain people for advice such as doctors ,lawyers,builders ,car mechanics etc; It's just the same with religion many of us thought that the Jehovah's Witnesses were expert religious advisors and unfortunately to our cost we found out eventually that what the Witnesses advised was a load of old cobblers.
As they say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
i just wat to inform you that i have from absolutely trustworthy sources that rolf furuli (one of the absolutely best known and most recpected elders in norway, and altso a scolar known as a hard core 607-apologist among opposers) did have a local needs speech last week (or maybe the week before) where he went directly against the watchtower anti college education pollicy and warmly recomended all the young ones in the congregation to go on and get them self educated.. i wonder for how long ha can keep his position??
if he gets the boot wee'll se a theocratic earthquake here in norway..
Sorry Gary, Just noticed spelled your name wrong many apologises.
i just wat to inform you that i have from absolutely trustworthy sources that rolf furuli (one of the absolutely best known and most recpected elders in norway, and altso a scolar known as a hard core 607-apologist among opposers) did have a local needs speech last week (or maybe the week before) where he went directly against the watchtower anti college education pollicy and warmly recomended all the young ones in the congregation to go on and get them self educated.. i wonder for how long ha can keep his position??
if he gets the boot wee'll se a theocratic earthquake here in norway..
It's like Gary Bushell said , In the world of the Brooklyn chiefs a good JW starts at the bottom and works his way down.
in the book of john alone, jesus three (3) times referred to satan as the "ruler of this world.
" -- see john 12:31; john 14:30; john 16:11.. my first question on this topic for this discussion board is: .
(1) do you believe this to be true?
Welcome Observer17,
I think Jesus was referring to how the human race is easily deceived into thinking they are doing the right thing when in fact they are missled into doing wrong.He said that because the Devil is supposed to be the great deceiver. I don't believe in the Devil , but that is the way they thought back then .There is a right way to do something and a wrong way,we just have to find the correct way.
As for who rules the World well in our neck of the woods it's the civil service , they do what the lawmakers tell them to do.In practice the people with the wealth and the establishment tell the lawmakers what rules and regulations are needed.The politicians just go along with the higher echelons of the civil service telling them what they can and can't do.
As for us, it's the mushroom concept ; kept in the dark with plenty of compost chucked at us.
Hope you stick around.
during an economic down turn wealthy investors put their faith in gold.does anybody know of a strongroom at bethel containing gold bars.you know just for an emergency in case they have to go underground during the great persecution.or do they just rely on stocks, shares and property.
they don't put all their eggs in one or two baskets do they?
just thought of another question.who will get all the gold and silver in the new world and what will it be used for?.
During an economic down turn wealthy investors put their faith in gold.Does anybody know of a strongroom at Bethel containing gold bars.You know just for an emergency in case they have to go underground during the great persecution.Or do they just rely on stocks, shares and property. They don't put all their eggs in one or two baskets do they? Just thought of another question.Who will get all the gold and silver in the New World and what will it be used for?
Maybe it's a good question for the Whacktower from a reader.
the outbreak of war in 1914 was maybe not in the true sense a world war because at that date it was a war between some european states and was not the earlier american civil war a war between states?
maybe it could be said that the actual world war only happened when the americans came into it on april the 6th 1917 and then only lasted until the following year.. the point i'm making is what's the big deal with 1914 anyway, maybe the true date of jesus arriving in the minds eye was much later maybe it was in 1939 which was the start of another fine old mess.. the jdubs could hang their predictions on any old date because it don't mean a thing..
Caedas,
To get back to my original comment about WW1. I was trying to point out that the specific date of 1914 as a prophecy is meaningless ,granted the war was declared then but it wasn't until the close of that year did things start to get very bad( an understatement).All I meant to say was that it widened in area by the Americans coming to the rescue in 1917.I am just asking the question was it truly world wide until then, it's all about words and definition.
I know the argument the Witnesses use is nation shall rise against nation and that didn't happen until WW1 and this is what we were told to preach from door to door but I have heard more educated people than I say that WW1 was Europes civil war. I was trying to compare it with the American Civil War but only in 1914 not necessarily after that date. I have also heard say that the years in between the two world wars was just a cease fire ,if that is the case the war didn't end in 1918.It all boils down to the fact that dates don't mean a thing when you look at the bigger picture.
the outbreak of war in 1914 was maybe not in the true sense a world war because at that date it was a war between some european states and was not the earlier american civil war a war between states?
maybe it could be said that the actual world war only happened when the americans came into it on april the 6th 1917 and then only lasted until the following year.. the point i'm making is what's the big deal with 1914 anyway, maybe the true date of jesus arriving in the minds eye was much later maybe it was in 1939 which was the start of another fine old mess.. the jdubs could hang their predictions on any old date because it don't mean a thing..
Caedes,
Thanks for your comment even though your words were a little rough but what the hell if what you say is true then I stand humbly corrected.However you have misinterpreted my words and maybe thats my fault for not being articulate enough and maybe your fault because you do not know me.Let me try to explain but please do not think for one minute that I meant in any possible way to down play the sacrifice paid by all the armed forces in any of the two world wars and for that matter in the American civil war ,I also speak as an ex member of the Royal Air Force and as a grandson of a first world war soldier who was gassed ,mentioned in dispatches , was shot which resulted in the loss of a leg in a place called Mesoptamia which incidentally is now Iraq.I have managed to trace the memorial of a great uncle of mine who was killed on the last day of the battle of the Somme in November 1916 his body was listed as unknown but his memorial is at Thiepval a place I intend to visit this summer with my son.There we will pay our respects to the fallen and as far as I am aware we shall be the first in my family to visit that place since 1916.Hope this won't bore you but I will try again later to explain what I meant.Just to conclude this segment I have heard from first hand witnesses about the horrors of war, my mother stood on Rochester railway station with tears in her eyes and watched troops coming back from Dunkirk many of them bedragled.My Father worked in aircraft production in Kent during the Battle of Britain his factory was bombed to the ground he survived with four others by sheltering in a pill box which was cracked from top to bottom my mother waited outside the factory gates to see if my father had survived luckily he did or I would not be sending this now.My parents house which incidentally was new as they had only been married a short while had all the windows blown out during an air raid,they saw the orange and red glow of the blitz on London from as far away as Kent.My Father told me how he he used to watch the dog fights between the RAF and the Luftwaffe up in the skys over Kent.My parents and Grandparents made sure I knew all about the horrors of war.I have read quite a bit as well.
Best wishes Edmond.
just had my third child - still in the dazed, lack of proper sleep and food phase.
i have to say - credit to my wife and all you mothers out there, how the hell do you go through it!?
i had that numb, helpless, car crash look as she went through the wringer and all i could do was pass the gas and air and mumble - 'you're doing really good.
Hey man,
Congratulations, fantastic, you were replying to my question when your wife went into labour and you had to dash yes?
I was hoping everything was ok. Anyway best wishes to you and your family.
Edmond.
the outbreak of war in 1914 was maybe not in the true sense a world war because at that date it was a war between some european states and was not the earlier american civil war a war between states?
maybe it could be said that the actual world war only happened when the americans came into it on april the 6th 1917 and then only lasted until the following year.. the point i'm making is what's the big deal with 1914 anyway, maybe the true date of jesus arriving in the minds eye was much later maybe it was in 1939 which was the start of another fine old mess.. the jdubs could hang their predictions on any old date because it don't mean a thing..
The outbreak of war in 1914 was maybe not in the true sense a world war because at that date it was a war between some European States and was not the earlier American Civil War a war between states? Maybe it could be said that the actual world war only happened when the Americans came into it on April the 6th 1917 and then only lasted until the following year.
The point I'm making is what's the big deal with 1914 anyway, maybe the true date of Jesus arriving in the minds eye was much later maybe it was in 1939 which was the start of another fine old mess.
The Jdubs could hang their predictions on any old date because it don't mean a thing.
April the 1st 20008,Watchtower.
I knew they were lying when they said Jesus arrived invisibly nearly a hundred years ago.
